So... Ebola...

I agree completely.

 

I am about 10 miles away and not too happy about it.

 

 

FUCKKK FUCKK FUCKKK

 

Hopefully exit 13 off 400 is plenty far North lol.

 

 

This is crazy. I cannot believe they are bringing them here. That is easy for me to say though because I do not have the virus. I am sure if I did I would want to be brought back to the US.

 

Still, they are putting a lot of potential lives at risk by bringing them back.

Big difference in how bodies and fluids are handled in Liberia vs the United States. Even if it is an American Doc over there. How well do you actually understand the virus?

 

If the plane crashes and body fluids get spread to one the scene would be rescuers who then go home and kids their wife and children etc etc

So we already know bovidae(includes domestic cattle) species can get ebola, so we're just gonna go on and bring over some ebola.

As much slack as my state of Utah takes with polygamy,Mormon,cowboy jokes etc..one thing that we do here REALLY well and as a community is disaster preparedness and emergency storage. My home has 4 months of water storage for 5 and at least 6 months of food and grain for the same amount. Fuel storage and generators along side lots of solar powered lights and chargers. Enough guns and ammo to stage a small coup and me and my extended family have plans in place for holding up and self sustaining together. Two brothers and myself heavily armed and one is a swat paramedic/hazmat firefighter which would be very handy in a disaster scenario.

Every neighbor around me is similarly prepared with storage and we have annual meetings to discuss scenarios and neighborhood plans.

Big cities would be fucked,but if shit hits the fan ill check in with you guys in half a year

 

joking aside, if you dont already..stock up. You dont want to be the one thats having to rumage to keep your family alive when grocery store shelve have been stripped. Its good to have emergency measures in place for an unforeseeable scenario.

Guns ( sorry California and NY members. Vote better ) water,food,medical,outdoor gear etc..

As much slack as my state of Utah takes with polygamy,Mormon,cowboy jokes etc..one thing that we do here REALLY well and as a community is disaster preparedness and emergency storage. My home has 4 months of water storage for 5 and at least 6 months of food and grain for the same amount. Fuel storage and generators along side lots of solar powered lights and chargers. Enough guns and ammo to stage a small coup and me and my extended family have plans in place for holding up and self sustaining together. Two brothers and myself heavily armed and one is a swat paramedic/hazmat firefighter which would be very handy in a disaster scenario.

Every neighbor around me is similarly prepared with storage and we have annual meetings to discuss scenarios and neighborhood plans.

Big cities would be fucked,but if shit hits the fan ill check in with you guys in half a year

 

joking aside, if you dont already..stock up. You dont want to be the one thats having to rumage to keep your family alive when grocery store shelve have been stripped. Its good to have emergency measures in place for an unforeseeable scenario.

Guns ( sorry California and NY members. Vote better ) water,food,medical,outdoor gear etc..

 

Are you guys just bored and have nothing else to do but speculate on worst case scenarios or have you really had to rely on your emergency supplies at some point? I'm genuinely curios, not taking a jab. I find it funny.

Yeah, love how the best prepared guys are in utah. Lol, even the apocalypse is going to be like......mmmmmphhhh, pass.

Are you guys just bored and have nothing else to do but speculate on worst case scenarios or have you really had to rely on your emergency supplies at some point? I'm genuinely curios, not taking a jab. I find it funny.

 

Do you have homeowners insurance? IMO it's exactly the same thing.

Paranoia... it's a powerful thing

 

I just hope Ebola won't affect Huracan deliveries, I will be pissed if that happens!

 

 

Paranoia... it's a powerful thing

 

I just hope Ebola won't affect Huracan deliveries, I will be pissed if that happens!

 

 

LMAO that is great.

The lack of solid roof and windows concerns me when running through hordes of zombies, other than that I love it. Start a new thread with some more pics and details.

 

I'm not sure what religion Rob is, but in the Mormon religion they teach emergency preparedness on a regular basis (food storage, water supply, etc). Utah has lots of Mormon's.

 

I fall into a similar boat as Rob. Tons of food, water, medicine, ammo.

 

Imagine if our entire population was prepared to spend a month or two surviving on their own in case of emergency. Something like Ebola would eventually die off.

 

Are you guys just bored and have nothing else to do but speculate on worst case scenarios or have you really had to rely on your emergency supplies at some point? I'm genuinely curios, not taking a jab. I find it funny.

 

I'm the opposite!

 

I'll go out in a blaze of glory with the first attack of the zombies!!

Do you have homeowners insurance? IMO it's exactly the same thing.

I do, but it's not exactly the same thing. No natural disaster would force me to live in isolation for 6 months. Other than Ebola of course.

Paranoia... it's a powerful thing

 

I just hope Ebola won't affect Huracan deliveries, I will be pissed if that happens!

Who knows, certain cars I hear are prone to Carbola. Hope it won't be the case with yours.

They should have set up a perimeter around areas where the disease was identified, snipered whoever approached the fence and after everyone was dead burned the area...........not being stupid, putting someone on a plane and bringing the disease to North America......then if it spreads be like oh shit we didnt know it could spread like tha..oops....to jeapordize millions of lives is fcuking ridiculous and whovere at the health organization decided this was ok should be air dropped into west africa ebola center. fcuking bleeding hearts bullshit causing all the worlds problems.......

They should have set up a perimeter around areas where the disease was identified, snipered whoever approached the fence and after everyone was dead burned the area...........not being stupid, putting someone on a plane and bringing the disease to North America......then if it spreads be like oh shit we didnt know it could spread like tha..oops....to jeapordize millions of lives is fcuking ridiculous and whovere at the health organization decided this was ok should be air dropped into west africa ebola center. fcuking bleeding hearts bullshit causing all the worlds problems.......

 

A lot of experts say it wont spread in the US or any other first world country like it does there. But how do they know? Its never been out of Africa.

A lot of experts say it wont spread in the US or any other first world country like it does there. But how do they know? Its never been out of Africa.

 

Thats the point, WHO THE fcuk WANTS TO FIND OUT??? That is one of those questions I owuld love to ponder for eternity, not address after the fact. It is a Samaritan and a Doctor. Both knew what they were getting into when they went. Now they want to be treated here, more than 36 hours after symptoms? I am a somewhat selfish dude, but I would never want my ass carted back to the states to put over 300 million people in jeopardy!

 

I'm not sure what religion Rob is, but in the Mormon religion they teach emergency preparedness on a regular basis (food storage, water supply, etc). Utah has lots of Mormon's.

 

I fall into a similar boat as Rob. Tons of food, water, medicine, ammo.

 

Imagine if our entire population was prepared to spend a month or two surviving on their own in case of emergency. Something like Ebola would eventually die off.

Exactly

I'd rather have it and not need it than then it and not have it.

You guys are overreacting, Ebola doesn't spread through air. It's not the flu, there isn't any real risk. If there were, it wouldn't be just 300 million people at risk it would be the whole world since there are people from every country on the planet traveling to and from the US every day.

Big difference in how bodies and fluids are handled in Liberia vs the United States. Even if it is an American Doc over there. How well do you actually understand the virus?

 

Take a wild ass guess at what my answer to your question is...

 

You need to read "The Hot Zone: A Terrifying True Story"*

 

 

Here's the fcuking deal... Yes.. Its spread by contact with bodily fluids... Most people when they hear that think "HIV" and follow it up with "Yeah, thats pretty fcuking hard to catch..."

 

 

This isn't HIV. It isn't AIDS. Its Hemorrhagic Fever. Which means the victims begin bleeding uncontrollably... First the nose... Then the mouth... Then the ears... The eyes... The anus... The genitals... Then from holes in the skin they weren't born with... ITS LITERALLY A BLOODY MESS. And the blood which is projectile vomited is full of highly infective virus. If someone in a family gets it, guess who will clean that up? A loved one... And they wont be wearing a body condom and gas mask... And that's how this shit spreads.

 

 

 

 

*

Stephen King called the first chapter [of The Hot Zone], "one of the most horrifying things I've read in my whole life."

So... Hot Zone spends the first forty pages reiterating in excrutiating detail the death of "Charles Monet" from Marburg. Monet is reduced to what the author refers to as a "Virus Bomb". A sack of amplified virus that explodes seeking its next host...

 

It then finishes with this breath of fresh air:

 

“Not long after Charles Monet died, it was established that the family of filoviruses comprised Marburg along with two types of a virus called Ebola. The Ebolas were named Ebola Zaire and Ebola Sudan. Marburg was the mildest of the three filovirus sisters. The worst of them was Ebola Zaire. The kill rate in humans infected with Ebola Zaire is nine out of ten. Ninety percent of the people who come down with Ebola Zaire die of it. Ebola Zaire is a slate wiper in humans.”

Bringing those guys in for treatment is a big mistake, I know it sounds cruel but if I were the government would rather build a whole hospital where they are at the moment than risk bringing them in.

More happy news From the Hot Zone.

 

“The Ebola experiments were not a success in the sense that the drugs had no effect on the virus. All of Gene Johnson’s infected monkeys died no matter what drugs they were given. They all died. The virus absolutely nuked the monkeys. It was a complete slate wiper. The only survivors of the experiment were the two control monkeys—the healthy, uninfected monkeys that lived in cages across the room from the sick monkeys. The control monkeys had not been infected with Ebola, and so, as expected, they had not become sick.

Then, two weeks after the incident with the bloody glove, something frightening happened in the Ebola rooms. The two healthy monkeys developed red eyes and bloody noses, and they crashed and bled out. They had never been deliberately infected with Ebola virus, and they had not come near the sick monkeys. They were separated from the sick monkeys by open floor.

If a healthy person were placed on the other side of a room from a person who was sick with AIDS, the AIDS virus would not be able to drift across the room through the air and infect the healthy person. But Ebola had drifted across a room. It had moved quickly, decisively, and by an unknown route. Most likely the control monkeys inhaled it into their lungs. “It got there somehow,” Nancy Jaax would say to me as she told me the story some years later. “Monkeys spit and throw stuff. And when the caretakers wash the cages down with water hoses, that can create an aerosol of droplets. It probably traveled through the air in aerosolized secretions. That was when I knew that Ebola can travel through the air.”

More...

Ebola Zaire attacks every organ and tissue in the human body except skeletal muscle and bone. It is a perfect parasite because it transforms virtually every part of the body into a digested slime of virus particles. The seven mysterious proteins that, assembled together, make up the Ebola-virus particle, work as a relentless machine, a molecular shark, and they consume the body as the virus makes copies of itself. Small blood clots begin to appear in the bloodstream, and the blood thickens and slows, and clots begin to stick to the walls of blood vessels. This is known as pavementing, because the clots fit together in a mosaic. The mosaic thickens and throws more clots, and the clots drift through the blodstream into the small capillaries, where they get stuck. This shuts off the blood supply to various parts of the body, causing dead spots to appear in the brain, liver, kidneys, lungs, intestines, testicles, breast tissue (of men as well as women), and all through the skin. The skin develops red spots, called petechiae, which are hemorrhages under the skin. Ebola attacks connective tissue with particular ferocity; it multiplies in collegen, the chief constituent protein of the tissue that holds the organs togehter. (The seven Ebola proteins somehow chew up the body's structural proteins.) In this way, collagen in the body turns to mush, and the underlayers of the skin die and liquefy. The skin bubbles up into a sea of tiny white blisters mixed with red spots known as a maculopapular rash. This rash has been likened to tapioca pudding. Spontaneous rips appear in the skin, and hemmoraghic blood pours from the rips. The red spots on the skin grow and spread and merge to become huge, spontaneous bruises, and the skin goes soft and pulpy, and can tear off if it is touched with any kind of pressure. Your mouth bleeds, and you bleed around your teeth, and you may have hemorrhages from the salivary glands -- literally every opening in the body bleeds, no matter how small. The surface if the toungue turns brilliant red and the sloughs off, and is swallowed or spat out. It is said to be extraordinarily painful to lose the surface of one's tongue. The tongue's skin may be torn off during rushes of the black vomit. The back of the throat and the lining of the wind pipe may also slough off, and the dead tissue slides down the windpipe into the lungs or is coughed up with sputum. Your heart bleeds into itself; the heart muscle softens and has hemorrhages into its chambers, and blood squeezes out of the heart muscle as the heart beats, and it floods the chest cavity. The brain becomes clogged with dead blood cells, a conditions known as sludging of the brain. Ebola attacks the lining of the eyeball, and the eyeballs may fill up with blood: you may go blind. Droplets of blood stand out on the eyelids: you may weep blood. The blood runs from your eyes down your cheeks and refuses to coagulate. You may have a hemispherical stroke, in which one whole side of the body is paralyzed, which is invariably fatal in a case of Ebola. Even while the body's internal organs are becoming plugged with coagulated blood, the blood that streams out of the body cannot clot; it resembles whey being squeezed out of curds. The blood has been stripped of its clotting factors. If you put the runny Ebola blood in a test tube and look at it, you see that the blood is destroyed. Its red cells are broken and dead. The blood looks as if it has been buzzed in an electric blender.

 

Ebola kills a great deal of tissue while the host is still alive. It triggers a creeping, spotty necrosis that spreads through all the internal organs. The liver bulges up and turns yellow, begins to liquefy, and then it cracks apart. The cracks run across the liver and deep inside it, and the liver completely dies and goes putrid. The kidneys becomes jammed with blood clots and dead cells, and cease functioning. As the kidneys fail, the blood becomes toxic with urine. The spleen turns into a single huge, hard blood clot the size of a baseball. The intestines may fill up completely with blood. The lining of the gut dies and sloughs off into the bowels and is defecated along with large amounts of blood. In men, the testicles bloat up and turns black-and-blue, the semen goes hot with Ebola, and the nipples may bleed. In women, the labia turn blue, livid, and protrusive, and there may be massive vaginal bleeding. The virus is a catastrophe for a pregnant woman: the child is aborted spontaneously and is usually infected with Ebola virus, born with red eyes and a bloody nose.

 

Ebola destroys the brain more thoroughly than does Marburg, and Ebola victims often go into epileptic convulsions during the final stage. The convulsions are generalized grand mal seizures -- the whole body twitches and shakes, the arms and legs thrash around, and the eyes, sometimes bloody, roll up into the head. The tremors and convulsions of the patient may smear or splatter blood around. Possibly this epileptic splashing of blood is one of Ebola's strategies for success -- it makes the victim go into a flurry of seizures as he dies, spreading blood all over the place, thus giving the virus a chance to jump to a new host -- a kind of transmission through smearing.

 

Ebola (and Marburg) multiplies so rapidly and powerfully that the body's infected cells become crystal-like blocks of packed virus particles. These crystal are broods of virus getting ready to hatch from the cell. They are known as bricks. The bricks, or crystals, first appear near the center of the cell and then migrate towards the surface. As a crystal reaches a cell wall, it disintegrates into hundres of individual virus particles, and the broodlings push through the cell wall like hair and float away in the bloodstream of the host. The hatched Ebola particles cling to cells everywhere in the body, and get inside them, and continue to multiply. It keeps on multiplying until areas of tissue all through the body are filled with crystalloids, which hatch, and more Ebola particles drift into the bloodstream, and the amplification continues inexorably until a droplet of the hosts blood can contain a hundred million individual particles.

 

After death, the cadaver suddenly deteriorates: the internal organs, having been dead or partially dead for days, have already begun to dissolve, and a sort of shock-related meltdown occurs. The corpse's connective tissue, skin, and organs, already peppered with dead spots, heated by fever, and damaged by shock, begin to liquefy, and the fluids that leak from the cadaver are saturated with Ebola-virus particles.

 

 

Sweet dreams folks....

See table showing years and outbreaks ...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus#Epidemiology