Aventador SV-J Discussion and New Information

Just to throw in further technicality on the 770 vs 759, the SV has 740 instead of 750......

 

Thanks.

 

Let's get to where the facts are proven.

 

The new GT3RS.2 vs .1

 

New tires minimal better aero 20 hp bushings springs more track focus.

 

These changes reduced the Ring time by at least 10 seconds.

 

The Centenario has all the above and more vs the SV but since Alphalpha doesn't like the looks of the Centenario and if the JOTA dare looks like the Centenario he is going to pull his deposit.

The Centenario has rws trofoe's less weight more hp better aero more downforce smoother shifts all adds up to faster than the SV which I own.

 

Have you ever driven a car on Trofeo tires on track - those tires alone would take seconds off the Ring time.

 

I annoy you - tell me when you see me at the JOTA preview can't wait to see you

 

 

And once again, I am here to tell you that you have gone full retard. Havent you heard "never go full retard?"

 

First of all the Centenario comes with Pirelli P Zeros and not Trofeo. Second Trofeo are tires. I can add them to any car including a regular Aventador. You want to charge me an additional $1.2mil because the car comes with a set of tires? lol. RWS doesnt make the car lighter. The Cenetario is barely 70-80lbs lighter and has never shown to be faster than a standard Aventador SV or the new S.

 

 

And before you go and run your mouth and spit out stats and what brochure you read here is the Centenario showing in Geneva with P Zero tires not Trofeos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure what you mean about telling you at the Jota preview and that you cant wait to see me lol. I have seen your pix. You are a bald old fart. Sit your ass down somewhere before I make you sit.

And once again, I am here to tell you that you have gone full retard. Havent you heard "never go full retard?"

 

First of all the Centenario comes with Pirelli P Zeros and not Trofeo. Second Trofeo are tires. I can add them to any car including a regular Aventador. You want to charge me an additional $1.2mil because the car comes with a set of tires? lol. RWS doesnt make the car lighter. The Cenetario is barely 70-80lbs lighter and has never shown to be faster than a standard Aventador SV or the new S.

 

 

Not sure what you mean about telling you at the Jota preview and that you cant wait to see me lol. I have seen your pix. You are a bald old fart. Sit your ass down somewhere before I make you sit.

 

 

Did you google that - alphalpha

 

Customer couldn't spec Trofeo because you know so much ... or not so much. Trofeo are tires - wow that's enlightening and you can just pop them on an Aventador yet you don't own one or really know if you can or can not.

 

RWS doesn't make it lighter - wow another fun fact that I never knew ... wonder why they install it maybe it's performance outweighs it's weight.

 

You really have yet to share anything of value - see you at the JOTA preview. You seem offended by the Centenario and assume that I want to charge you an additional 1.2m. Little secret alphalpha lamborghini wouldn't sell you a limited 40 car production so don't you worry about the big boys toys. The good news is you are learning about RWS tires performance and what makes a car fast my guess is you have never been on track or raced. Try it sometime heck tell me when maybe we could go on track together a little 150 mph wheel to wheel racing and then talk the talk.

Did you google that - alphalpha

 

Customer couldn't spec Trofeo because you know so much ... or not so much. Trofeo are tires - wow that's enlightening.

 

You really have yet to share anything of value - see you at the JOTA preview. You seem offended by the Centenario and assume that I want to charge you an additional 1.2m. Little secret alphalpha lamborghini wouldn't sell you a limited 40 car production so don't you worry about the big boys toys.

 

 

Good. That is the sound of I dont know what the hell I am talking about so I am going to pivot and change topics. I wouldnt take a Centenario if it was same price as the Aventador S. So i could careless. But guess what I already have my slot for the Jota.

Good. That is the sound of I dont know what the hell I am talking about so I am going to pivot and change topics. I wouldnt take a Centenario if it was same price as the Aventador S. So i could careless. But guess what I already have my slot for the Jota.

 

Right alphalpha.

 

I just gave you a like scenario with the Porsche GT3RS vs GT3RS.2 to apply the SV to JOTA.

 

Where did you get confused - other than insults which shows you are confused.

 

I'm just going to go out on a limb here - you have never been on track or raced but you did see one on TV.

 

 

Right alphalpha.

 

I just gave you a like scenario with the Porsche GT3RS vs GT3RS.2 to apply the SV to JOTA.

 

Where did you get confused - other than insults which shows you are confused.

 

I'm just going to go out on a limb here - you have never been on track or raced but you did see one on TV.

 

Dude just shut up. I used to race with BMWCCA for many years and have tracked a Huracan extensively at MSR Houston. So just please shut the hell up. Go and read some more marketing brochures and tell me about it.

cant we all just get along! at the end of the day we are all lambo fans, who cares what model you love

between all of us we can learn about what this SVJ will bring to the table!

cant we all just get along! at the end of the day we are all lambo fans, who cares what model you love

between all of us we can learn about what this SVJ will bring to the table!

 

Scroll thru - you guys allow this banter to go on.

 

Trust me I prefer not to be called names - but when in Rome.

Dude just shut up. I used to race with BMWCCA for many years and have tracked a Huracan extensively at MSR Houston. So just please shut the hell up. Go and read some more marketing brochures and tell me about it.

 

Used to ... so learn instead of being rude.

 

Apply what the RS.1 & RS.2 showed - this is Lamborghin's sister company which will follow suit.

 

Great so tell me when and lets share some track time ... Houston Miami pick one I love going to tracks will have a car shipped to any track.

Used to ... so learn instead of being rude.

 

Apply what the RS.2 & RS.2 showed - this is Lamborghin's sister company which will follow suit.

 

Great so tell me when and lets share some track time ... Houston Miami pick one I love going to tracks.

 

Not rude at all. My first few comments were very cordial but you are just too dense. Every point you erroneously made I corrected and you still kept on going about this and that. Sometimes you just have to shut up when corrected and move on.

 

1) You said how Centenario was 400 lbs lighter not even knowing that was the dry weight and in reality it is only 80lbs lighter and some configurations weight the same as SV

2) You mentioned how the Centenario comes with Trofeo tires and they do not. Show me anywhere that is what is spec'd for the car. Of course you can ask but you were wrong on that.

3) You mentioned how Centenario was way faster than SV and people commented how it is not and you still kept quoting stupid ass marketing materials.

 

 

Then you somehow jumped to Porsche which makes no god damn sense what it has to do with price of tea in China.

 

Anyways I am done with this non-sense.

I can already tell you that SVJ won`t look anything like the Centenario from the outside at least.

I can already tell you that SVJ won`t look anything like the Centenario from the outside at least.

 

 

I know. Thank god

Not rude at all. My first few comments were very cordial but you are just too dense. Every point you erroneously made I corrected and you still kept on going about this and that. Sometimes you just have to shut up when corrected and move on.

 

1) You said how Centenario was 400 lbs lighter not even knowing that was the dry weight and in reality it is only 80lbs lighter and some configurations weight the same as SV

2) You mentioned how the Centenario comes with Trofeo tires and they do not. Show me anywhere that is what is spec'd for the car. Of course you can ask but you were wrong on that.

3) You mentioned how Centenario was way faster than SV and people commented how it is not and you still kept quoting stupid ass marketing materials.

 

 

Then you somehow jumped to Porsche which makes no god damn sense what it has to do with price of tea in China.

 

Anyways I am done with this non-sense.

 

Look - whatever I stated it came from a publication and owners along with engineers at Lamborghini. The paint vs the clear carbon and other customer modifications.

 

Your list of cars shows you don't own a car that is recent or track oriented to what's being built - I get it just hoping you would keep an open mind and understand Lamborghini does not build a Heritage Car like the Centenario for just anyone it's a special car and represents the future of Lambo - you don't like it tell that to the Lamborghini rep and see what they say - call them fat bald dumb stupid dense how that works out.

 

You went off for whatever reason with name calling and so on for no reason other than this place shamefully allows it.

 

Tomm night is the dealer Urus event - the Lambo factory rep will be there and hope to get some information short of having to buy a Urus!

FWIW, I am not taking sides but...

 

Nuvo, I don’t know where you get your info. but it’s definitely not what Lamborghini SpA said. I was invited to the Centenario private preview at Quail where they unveiled the A-SV roadster too. I’m also sure that I wasn’t the only LP member there so he/they can attest to what’s I am about to say:

 

At the C’s presentation, Lambo never said anything about it having superior performance than the Aventador series that it was based on. I was very disappointed by that which was why I did not order one despite I likely would have gotten one. I stayed at the same hotel as the Lambo top brass team (they got me the room) so I had breakfast with them for 2 days. Felippo Perini, designer of the AV-series and all its derivatives, spent a good 30minutes with me talking about the C. It is NOT a rolling test bed at all. The only thing is the interactive touch screen otherwise nothing is new. 4WS is “new” to Lambo but not new at all: Nissan Skylines & Honda Prelude had it decades ago. Perini is a huge fan of old formula race cars and loves the “open engine” design. So he did a modern interpretation or reinterpretation of the design on the C: hence the additional air inlet near the headlights and the big fins at the rear as if the engine was “opened” to the air. So essentially, it’s a car with a different shell based on the hardware of the AV. Nothing too innovative at all and not unlike the Veneno. Btw, Perini also said the V was styled to mimic a Can Am car while the C is styled to mimic a classic GT. So whatever info. you got elsewhere clearly wasn’t from Lambo and performance upgrade is neglegible at best.

 

As to the looks of the C, one has to be a true hardcore fan of Lambo with a keen eye to appreciate it. There are many subtle motifs to pay homage to Lambo’s of yesteryears. But due to the “open engine” design, the car’s proportions do look a bit strange. I don’t dislike it but I will also admit that it could have been done better.

 

Lambo simply does not have enough resources to survive on its own. And VW/ Audi has their own say. So whether it was the Reventon, the Centenario or even the AV-J, they were quick and effective products made for the sake of raising capital. And in a way, so were the AV-SV’s and the upcoming SV-J. As far as additional info., the local Urus launch event had already taken place at where I am. Alexandro Farmeschi, William Gonzales and Doug Brown were all present and they wouldn’t/couldn’t say much. Last weekend, I was in Geneva (at least one member here saw me there) and no one was talking; not even behind closed doors within the VIP section. The only info. was the SV-J will be unveiled in the summer (read the posts from this thread by others for hints as to where) and both coupe and roadster will be available. How many of each has yet to be determined. Lambo has always been good at keeping a tight lip on their upcoming products — just enough info. to confirm they are forthcoming but no more additional facts. The looks of the SV-J wouldn’t be too far off from the SV; it will be more radical for sure. And it would only make sense to put everything that Lambo has learned and to integrate it onto their V12 flagship as the final hurrah of the AV series. As such, it shall and it will be a highly desirable car.

Look - whatever I stated it came from a publication and owners along with engineers at Lamborghini. The paint vs the clear carbon and other customer modifications.

 

Your list of cars shows you don't own a car that is recent or track oriented to what's being built - I get it just hoping you would keep an open mind and understand Lamborghini does not build a Heritage Car like the Centenario for just anyone it's a special car and represents the future of Lambo - you don't like it tell that to the Lamborghini rep and see what they say - call them fat bald dumb stupid dense how that works out.

 

You went off for whatever reason with name calling and so on for no reason other than this place shamefully allows it.

 

Tomm night is the dealer Urus event - the Lambo factory rep will be there and hope to get some information short of having to buy a Urus!

 

There are so many erroneous statements in your post that I cannot assume that you have any credibility or experience with these cards and your knowledge of performance is quite poor . You are repeating magazine guotes and using them as a reference for your discussions with real owners with plenty of experience with exotics and some with solid track experience . My experience with magazines is shit , they all have their agenda and whoever pays them more gets a more favourable review , to top it , they will not even publish correct data if it is not aligned with their agenda . I don’t read any of them .

This board is a rough place , VCR very eloquotently

and diplomatically refuted all your claims , alpha for drustrated at your lack of comprehension of the basics and you kept repeating yourself like a broken record , like nothing sunk in .

It is irritating at the least and I would suggest that when you get into a debate about anything , have your facts straight , because If they are not , you will be called on it an look like a wanker

 

And last but not the least , you are entitled to your opinion , it might or might not be right and not everyone will see eye to eye with you . You want your opinion to the be the reference , even if it is wrong , so expect the backlash and if you can’t handle it , don’t post here.

 

nice! are you replacing anything?

 

Replacing the funds lost so I can get that SV

FWIW, I am not taking sides but...

 

Nuvo, I don’t know where you get your info. but it’s definitely not what Lamborghini SpA said. I was invited to the Centenario private preview at Quail where they unveiled the A-SV roadster too. I’m also sure that I wasn’t the only LP member there so he/they can attest to what’s I am about to say:

 

At the C’s presentation, Lambo never said anything about it having superior performance than the Aventador series that it was based on. I was very disappointed by that which was why I did not order one despite I likely would have gotten one. I stayed at the same hotel as the Lambo top brass team (they got me the room) so I had breakfast with them for 2 days. Felippo Perini, designer of the AV-series and all its derivatives, spent a good 30minutes with me talking about the C. It is NOT a rolling test bed at all. The only thing is the interactive touch screen otherwise nothing is new. 4WS is “new” to Lambo but not new at all: Nissan Skylines & Honda Prelude had it decades ago. Perini is a huge fan of old formula race cars and loves the “open engine” design. So he did a modern interpretation or reinterpretation of the design on the C: hence the additional air inlet near the headlights and the big fins at the rear as if the engine was “opened” to the air. So essentially, it’s a car with a different shell based on the hardware of the AV. Nothing too innovative at all and not unlike the Veneno. Btw, Perini also said the V was styled to mimic a Can Am car while the C is styled to mimic a classic GT. So whatever info. you got elsewhere clearly wasn’t from Lambo and performance upgrade is neglegible at best.

 

As to the looks of the C, one has to be a true hardcore fan of Lambo with a keen eye to appreciate it. There are many subtle motifs to pay homage to Lambo’s of yesteryears. But due to the “open engine” design, the car’s proportions do look a bit strange. I don’t dislike it but I will also admit that it could have been done better.

 

Lambo simply does not have enough resources to survive on its own. And VW/ Audi has their own say. So whether it was the Reventon, the Centenario or even the AV-J, they were quick and effective products made for the sake of raising capital. And in a way, so were the AV-SV’s and the upcoming SV-J. As far as additional info., the local Urus launch event had already taken place at where I am. Alexandro Farmeschi, William Gonzales and Doug Brown were all present and they wouldn’t/couldn’t say much. Last weekend, I was in Geneva (at least one member here saw me there) and no one was talking; not even behind closed doors within the VIP section. The only info. was the SV-J will be unveiled in the summer (read the posts from this thread by others for hints as to where) and both coupe and roadster will be available. How many of each has yet to be determined. Lambo has always been good at keeping a tight lip on their upcoming products — just enough info. to confirm they are forthcoming but no more additional facts. The looks of the SV-J wouldn’t be too far off from the SV; it will be more radical for sure. And it would only make sense to put everything that Lambo has learned and to integrate it onto their V12 flagship as the final hurrah of the AV series. As such, it shall and it will be a highly desirable car.

 

I'm getting info from a seller and rep ironically the JOTA was announced. You explained based on your experience which I appreciate.

 

Will be at the dealer later today and will talk with the factory representative.

There are so many erroneous statements in your post that I cannot assume that you have any credibility or experience with these cards and your knowledge of performance is quite poor . You are repeating magazine guotes and using them as a reference for your discussions with real owners with plenty of experience with exotics and some with solid track experience . My experience with magazines is shit , they all have their agenda and whoever pays them more gets a more favourable review , to top it , they will not even publish correct data if it is not aligned with their agenda . I don’t read any of them .

This board is a rough place , VCR very eloquotently

and diplomatically refuted all your claims , alpha for drustrated at your lack of comprehension of the basics and you kept repeating yourself like a broken record , like nothing sunk in .

It is irritating at the least and I would suggest that when you get into a debate about anything , have your facts straight , because If they are not , you will be called on it an look like a wanker

 

And last but not the least , you are entitled to your opinion , it might or might not be right and not everyone will see eye to eye with you . You want your opinion to the be the reference , even if it is wrong , so expect the backlash and if you can’t handle it , don’t post here.

 

Facts straight - clear that while it was spirited neither had facts there is no track data. There is an increase in hp rws and active aero less weight all of which I stated so in my mind that would equate to more performance.

 

This board is a rough place and you are a moderator - speaks volumes as to the lack of care you assert to come at me based on my lack of facts vs the posts with name calling personal information posted yet here I am seeking information and sharing what i was told and of course using published information which you assume is bought and paid based on your experience have you driven the Centenario were you at the presentation spent time with the factory - if so post add value or a thread on here that explains the Centenario.

 

It's your place to rule - just find it odd you do not follow your own rules.

Over here, I've just learned that we need to buy a S to get the SVJ (surprised to learn that SV ownership does't count in this regard). And I'm required to keep it at least a year or so. I'm pretty impressed by the S but just can't see to have the S on top of the SV...

I'm getting info from a seller and rep ironically the JOTA was announced. You explained based on your experience which I appreciate.

 

Will be at the dealer later today and will talk with the factory representative.

 

The seller of which? The C? If so, then the debate is QED. I.e. you are relaying the sales jargon of the seller of the vehicle to which the ultimate goal is to sell the car. Of course he would “add value” to the vehicle’s capabilities and it’ll likely be the “best deal ever” too. The 3 names that I mentioned above, if you don’t know who they are, then the point is moot. On the contrary, if you do know who they are, then you would also know that the info. mentioned is as reliable as gold. And here is something else to consider: Maurizio Reggiani, Lambo’s chief engineer, will often say something about the latest tech on their products. He did that on the the G-SL, the AV-SV, the H-Perf and even the Asterion concept hybrid. But he did not say much about the C at all. The says a lot by not saying anything.

 

IIRC on where you are at, there is a very good chance that I know the C that is being offered as I had been approached on this car as well. In fact, the original owner was at the same private unveil session of the C as I was along with his Lambo rep. So I would know at least as much about this C as you would.

 

At any rate, it is far beyond any reasonable doubt that the AV-SVJ would out-perform the C in all criteria at a much lower price. The only enticing factor of the C is its rarity and its looks which obviously is very subjective. If you believe what the seller and rep of the C tell you, that’s fine and more power to you. It’s a similar concept to Leica cameras and their diehard “Leicaman” fan: Leica comes out with a good “regular” product, everyone goes head of heels for it. Then Leica paints it differently, clad it in different leather and/or make the associated lens in a different casing, package it in 20 sets only and charge at least double as the “regular” ones. The Leicaman will all flock to these 20sets claiming how superior it is when the guts are actually identical.

 

 

As to “qualification & prerequisite” to purchase a SV-J, Lambo is still exploring on what to do as this is unchartted territory for them. At this stage, it’s up to the dealers really: sell the car to long time and loyal customers or sell it to someone who had never owned a Lambo but is willing to pay the highest premium. It’s at everyone’s guess right now including Lambo. But off the record, it would be logical to continue the long-term relationship of an existing loyal customer than to tick them off and sell the car to a novice of the brand for a possible one-time short-term gain. Good problem to have for Lambo as far as they are concerned.

Facts straight - clear that while it was spirited neither had facts there is no track data. There is an increase in hp rws and active aero less weight all of which I stated so in my mind that would equate to more performance.

 

This board is a rough place and you are a moderator - speaks volumes as to the lack of care you assert to come at me based on my lack of facts vs the posts with name calling personal information posted yet here I am seeking information and sharing what i was told and of course using published information which you assume is bought and paid based on your experience have you driven the Centenario were you at the presentation spent time with the factory - if so post add value or a thread on here that explains the Centenario.

 

It's your place to rule - just find it odd you do not follow your own rules.

You share information that is wrong , you get corrected and yet you are still arguing your point . I was also offered a centenario , have zero interest , just a money grab and I hate the looks to top it up.

If in your opinion a 20hp increase with a minimal reduction in weight and an ugly body is worth the massive premium of the centenario , then by all means get one . Whatever performance gain is achieved on the centenario , if any , will be minuscule . You cannot gauge a 20 or 30hp increase in the street , the big difference maker would be the torque . And if you want to track the car , the biggest gain in performance , given that all the aventadors and centenario share the same platform , will come from unsprung weight , I E , lighter wheels to begin with , and that is neither practical nor realistic for a street car as they would bend way too easily .

 

The seller of which? The C? If so, then the debate is QED. I.e. you are relaying the sales jargon of the seller of the vehicle to which the ultimate goal is to sell the car. Of course he would “add value” to the vehicle’s capabilities and it’ll likely be the “best deal ever” too. The 3 names that I mentioned above, if you don’t know who they are, then the point is moot. On the contrary, if you do know who they are, then you would also know that the info. mentioned is as reliable as gold. And here is something else to consider: Maurizio Reggiani, Lambo’s chief engineer, will often say something about the latest tech on their products. He did that on the the G-SL, the AV-SV, the H-Perf and even the Asterion concept hybrid. But he did not say much about the C at all. The says a lot by not saying anything.

 

IIRC on where you are at, there is a very good chance that I know the C that is being offered as I had been approached on this car as well. In fact, the original owner was at the same private unveil session of the C as I was along with his Lambo rep. So I would know at least as much about this C as you would.

 

At any rate, it is far beyond any reasonable doubt that the AV-SVJ would out-perform the C in all criteria at a much lower price. The only enticing factor of the C is its rarity and its looks which obviously is very subjective. If you believe what the seller and rep of the C tell you, that’s fine and more power to you. It’s a similar concept to Leica cameras and their diehard “Leicaman” fan: Leica comes out with a good “regular” product, everyone goes head of heels for it. Then Leica paints it differently, clad it in different leather and/or make the associated lens in a different casing, package it in 20 sets only and charge at least double as the “regular” ones. The Leicaman will all flock to these 20sets claiming how superior it is when the guts are actually identical.

 

 

As to “qualification & prerequisite” to purchase a SV-J, Lambo is still exploring on what to do as this is unchartted territory for them. At this stage, it’s up to the dealers really: sell the car to long time and loyal customers or sell it to someone who had never owned a Lambo but is willing to pay the highest premium. It’s at everyone’s guess right now including Lambo. But off the record, it would be logical to continue the long-term relationship of an existing loyal customer than to tick them off and sell the car to a novice of the brand for a possible one-time short-term gain. Good problem to have for Lambo as far as they are concerned.

 

Yes the C - thru a broker.

 

Know the names one who answered some questions. JOTA came out and I moved on placed the deposit my only mistake was waiting until the end of the day vs allowing the dealers SA to stop by and pick up check which placed me in writing the second roadster allocation to the dealer.

 

The owner is a friend - fist purchase at the dealer of many brands they came thru and gave me the first SV roadster allocation.

 

I don't believe they would look for ADM short term gain - if they go that route would be shocked Lamborghini runs a tight ship regarding SV Performante's limited editions brand new being advertised let alone ADM.

You share information that is wrong , you get corrected and yet you are still arguing your point . I was also offered a centenario , have zero interest , just a money grab and I hate the looks to top it up.

If in your opinion a 20hp increase with a minimal reduction in weight and an ugly body is worth the massive premium of the centenario , then by all means get one . Whatever performance gain is achieved on the centenario , if any , will be minuscule . You cannot gauge a 20 or 30hp increase in the street , the big difference maker would be the torque . And if you want to track the car , the biggest gain in performance , given that all the aventadors and centenario share the same platform , will come from unsprung weight , I E , lighter wheels to begin with , and that is neither practical nor realistic for a street car as they would bend way too easily .

 

That's appreciated - performance was not the focus nor tracking torque the issue originally rose from what I believe Lamborghini built an improved Centenario over the Aventador SV being very limited equating value far greater than hp aero etc. which is why the sellers are asking a large premium.

 

LE's NA form are rare and will soon not exist - tracking a street car past 8/10th's is something I have no interest in doing agree the difference would be rare to extract. I understand torque unsprung weight tires which is why I mentioned the RS it's offering of the Weissach package seeing what little things do to a cars track improvements.

Thank you lpdaddy and VCR for elequently explaining things point by point.

Nuvolari: Still a stupid cunt.